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Look at this!

http://www.ww2talk.c...r-siegburg.html

Jean, it's your turn now!

Christoph

Ah, have been in contact with Fred for the last several years. A very knowledgeable guy.

Oh I see it's not about Fred's father, he only quotes an email, but who's? Jean's?

Christoph

Not sure to be honest.

You Guys are really with it! I recently did communicate with Fred. He sent me his family's story and wanted to know more of mine.

More to follow. I will be gone for a bit - and need to be there at 7AM.

I was quite surprised to see this post, to say the least.

Jean J

Christoph, you are so on top of everything and Marion too.

I found Fred's website and did ask the question you posted above. I think we corresponded 3 or 4 times. He shared his family's personal stories from the War era with me.

Now speaking of the Battle for Siegburg - maybe Harold's map of the Battle will arrive. He enjoyed your digging at Michaelsberg information as did Norton, and I copied your comments so the information was personalized from you. Norton does not use a computer and while I want to send him scads of things, it is so time consuming at this period of my life.

I want to share your Luft info Christoph with Bob's sons, but I do not want to overwhelm them any more than I have, at this moment. Brian said it could take awhile for him to get to scan some things to send me. Because of my telephone call to his brother Bob, and then to him, he pulled out the box of War things that they had on their Dad. It sounds like he has quite a bit to look through. I am so anxious to look at the 3 documents that appear to have been sent from the Lazarett.

More to follow,

Jean J

Hello! Sorry I have not been able to write - life is complex.

My husband just got the Battle Map that I got from Harold ready for me to include here:

www.jjworld.com/images/SiegburgBattle303InfantryMap.pdf

So many questions like did Dad's escape path and debriefing help determine the path the 303rd took into Siegburg. Maybe someday we will know. However, maybe we will never know.

That wonderful man, Kevin, the researcher at the Eisenhower Library, is going to check the records of the 86th Division and see if anything turns up on Dad and his escape in their records.

Happy Thanksgiving 2012! I know where Dad was for Thanksgiving 1944 - at Siegburg!

Jean J

This map is fantastic, I havn't seen such a map here in Siegburg before. The Agger crossings on a map - they were the reason I came to this wonderful forum and site to ask for help and information! Where does it come from? I should send it to Siegburg's archive, maybe thea are interested as well.

Christoph

Oh Christoph I am so happy! You always are finding such great treasures and pieces of information that would be unknown to me - it is astounding what you have done!!! Thank goodness you had a passion for the Agger crossings! And then that Marion had the passion to create and devote herself to this website in honor of her Dad and all the men! And that Walter Brinegar's family had the passion and love to learn more about the history of their Dad!

It is a great day to give Thanks!

Harold, who sent me the map, said he got this copy at the National Archives in College Park, Md. I believe he said it was mixed in with the 97th Division papers. I will verify this with Harold and also if you give it to the Siegburg Archive, if Harold would want you to give it with a mention of his name and his outfit as well as your name. It is incredible what you are doing for the history of Siegburg.

Now I wonder why is your curiosity so strong about the Agger crossings?

Oh, so much to do and want to research. I need to go to the National Archives in College Park because the implication is that there are a few more things on Siegburg there. I just put in a request for 4th Division Medical Battalion Detachment records. Not sure how much they have. Probably very little or if a lot, would need to see what is there.

I am curious about all of the bombing raids over or near Siegburg. Maybe the records of the deceased men that Dad buried will give me clues. I am putting in a request to the Archives in St. Louis to see if I can find info on a few of those poor men. And we know about those 3 men on that early report.

I hope Sister E. Koch is healthy. I want to focus back on putting together a package of photos of her with the other Sisters and Siegburg photos from the late 1980's and current time and also aerial photos of the Abbey. I need to review what questions I want to ask and the list was long from before. My curiosity is so strong - and I now know Harold spent the 1st night of the Battle in a home there in Sieburg. Wonder which house?

I better get going or there will be no turkey - like back in 1944 for most of the American soldiers. There is an Ernest Hemingway turkey story that year - he hung with the 4th Division. Dad, Thanksgiving of 1944, was #13012 at the Abbey in Siegburg, Germany.

Bye for now,

Jean J

Today, half a year after my request, I got an answer from Siegburg's archive.

Dr. Andrea Korte-Böger wrote that they have been searching a long time in the archive but did not find anything about an official camp in the rose garden. There might have been some barracks for POW or wounded soldiers, but this is only a guess. Also interrogations of contemporary witnesses were without result, they did not remember a camp there. But as she has been asked from several sides, also by Dr. Zenker, about this camp, she will keep this point in mind and still hopes to find something. :-(

Christoph