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Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Christoph - 08-31-2012 Did he have all these wounds already in Siegburg? If yes, how could he do all he has done there? With this date we'll find perhaps the unit which picked him up? I have found some which were in Remagen on the 21st March, but there were some more: "On 21 March 1945, the 15th FA Bn crossed the Rhine River into Germany on a pontoon bridge near Remagen, and took up firing positions near the town of Leutesdorf." "21 Mar 1945 US First Army advanced toward Siegburg, Germany." "On 21 March 1945, the Battalion [299th Combat Engineers] assumed the guard and maintenance of the Treadway bridge at Remagen. The Battalion also maintained roads, posted signs, and did engineer work as directed. Company A moved into Remagen this date and on 24 March Company B moved to Erpe1 [Erpel]."
Christoph Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Jean Jacobson - 08-31-2012 Christoph, Wow, you have done an amazing amount of research again! I tried to figure out the outfits and never came up with what you did. That is very exciting. I must think of how to contact those outfits.
Dad never let his War injuries keep him in the hospital except for brief treatment. His thumb was injured and he wrote about it from Siegburg. The nail was scared but I never asked him about it. Then I read about it in the letters from Siegburg. I also know he could put pins in his feet and not feel anything - he would tell me that. But he was strong, tough, and determined and very fair, wanting to help others that deserved it.
Tonight I called a 4th Division Medic. He is 92. He joined the 4th in March of 1945. He did not know Dad or any of the names I knew. Was so fun to hear his crazy story of joining up with the 4th. Thank goodness I take a little shorthand, or whatever I remember of it. A few years ago he was not well and so I never had a chance to really get to chat with him. i will share more later about the medicine they used and the dental care.
I had no luck with chatting with KF today. First he was going with his daughter to Drs. and this PM he had his neighbor visiting. I did try however. What I wanted to run by him was my theory that there were 3 levels of places where the Allies were cared for. His description of his area was they were all almost at the end.
But Dad talks about, and this was not where Norton was, "Say hello to the Folks - tell them I am well and will try to write them soon when I receive an extra letter or two. Fortunately I am so busy time flies by and this all is just a little easier to take. Have all the boys writing there letters home - an this gives them something to do. For them laying in bed time goes by so slowly. I have most of my one legged boys up and around now doing odd jobs, making bandages, etc."
This was written on Jan. 3, 1945 because he says "The third day of the New Year and with it nothing new from my little home. We were bombed by our own planes a few days ago and I am not quite over it yet - my nerves are very jumpy."
As always Christoph, Thank You! I hit the jackpot with you and Marion! Jean J Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Jean Jacobson - 09-01-2012 Hello Christoph!
I took a chance and wrote the Eisenhower Museum today to see if they have the records on the 2 outfits you mentioned above - that is the 15th FA Bn and the 299th Combat Engineers. I have asked the gentleman there so much in the past and he has been terrific, so while I did not want to bother him, it does seem like the easiest approach. If they do not have the records, I can then take another step, which maybe I will just quickly see if there is an Association for these groups.
Yesterday I did write the 78th Division, Flash News contact, to see if I can advertise that I am looking for folks involved with the liberation of Waldbrol or those who were prisoners, and also if there is anyone that knew anything about Siegburg.
In some of my notes Dad and Gidrie were on the run/loose for 4 days before getting lucky with that farmhouse where they stayed for 2 days. So the dates were the 15th, escape, and the 21st, free at last. How far did they get? Maybe soon we will find out.
Thank you again for that last lead!
Jean J Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Jean Jacobson - 09-01-2012 Christoph,
Here is what I found:
The 299th Combat Engineer Battalion has a nice web site. It does say: On 16 March 1945, Battalion Headquarters, Headquarters and Service Company and Company C moved to Oberwinter on the Rhine, a few miles north of Remagen. Company B moved to Kripp Germany. The following day about 1000 hours 17 March 1945, the world renowned Ludendorf bridge collapsed in the Rhine.
The Bridge was undergoing repairs at the time and no military traffic was using it. At least 2 ponton bridges and one floating Bailey Bridge were in use by this time in the bridgeheard vicinity. Also several pontoon ferries were operating across the Rhine. On 21 March 1945, the Battalion assumed the guard and maintenance of the Treadway bridge at Remagen. The Battalion also maintained roads, posted signs, and did engineer work as directed. Company A moved into Remagen this date and on 24 March Company B moved to Erpel.
I do not feel confident that their outfit would have a scout on the other side of the Rhine. I feel there are other outfits already there. And as to the 15th FA Bn, Leutesdorf is South of Remagen. So I doubt this one even more.
The problem with the First Army is that category is soo huge at that time.
Oh, I was so hopeful, but I am sure we will find the answer!
You would not know I needed to have left here a while ago. But your information was too compelling to leave!
As always, Thank You, Jean J Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Christoph - 09-01-2012 We'll keep on searching. On the site of theUS Army Corps of Engineers you'll find "The Rhine River Crossings" by Barry W. Fowle http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/EP_870-1-42_pfl/c-7-5.pdf who mentions some other combat engineer and other units in the vicinity of Remagen those days. And so many other interesting publications - who shall read all that?
Christoph Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Walt's Daughter - 09-02-2012 The article is good as it shows when the first crossings began to take place, (by second week of March) and all other crossings took place after this date. For instance my father's unit crossed the Rhine on March 25, to the south with the 3rd Infantry Division. Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Jean Jacobson - 09-02-2012 Hello to you Marion and Christoph!
I have copied what you sent and will read it as soon as I can Christoph.
Pretty amazing what your Dad did Marion!
Those guys were truly an unimaginable generation.
I am rushing out of here and should have left sooner but I have been trying to go through my War/life notes on Dad and family. Finding some interesting things and will share later.
But speaking of that generation he says: "So terrible for boys Dad's age to deal with so much death. News of their best friends - killed and how. Back then had more deaths from TB and diseases - "
I am almost ready to give in and see if a researcher can go outfit by outfit that was under Collins and see if any G-2 reports on Dad, but read somewhere in my research notes today that Escapees and their reports might have been handled differently. I will check on that.
Thank you both for being there to help me!
I am off to Mom's, Jean J Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Jean Jacobson - 09-03-2012 Good Morning!
While trying to get some papers organized I was reviewing Walter Brineger's story. Have you heard anything recently from his daughter, Mary Durst?
I was noting the April 8, 1945, date of Walter's liberation and it matches the date of Waldbrol's liberation. Could it be he was in Waldbrol and he was part of the liberation done by the 78 Division 309th Regiment?
I have too many physical notes and those in my brain, to say definitely that KF or Norton went to Paris after their liberation, but I think at least one of them did.
Maybe Walter left Siegburg at the same time the other men went to Waldbrol. They were all so very ill that they do not recall a lot. Plus they tried to forget it.
I can not imagine a special trip being made to take Walter somewhere else. It is not like he was in any condition to really do much, if any, labor. And if all he was eating is what the rest of them had, he was getting weaker. And I can go through that logic and all of my theories but not enough time to write them up.
And look at how wrong I was on the 2 captured French POW's - however, I had no location details on that or anything. But it really was a good exercise to see why it could have been Dad and Gidrie. And then it was not!
I still have not talked any more to KF but was thinking I will try to go visit him in Oct. when he returns to his home. He has a photo of something - he was not sure how he got it - I am not sure what it was of, but that is back at his home. I would like to photograph the photograph.
I have to leave this and afraid will lose it, so while not complete, I will post.
Jean J Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Christoph - 09-03-2012 I have found another soldier who was in Siegburg AND Waldböl AND Paris on his way back home: http://alangrano.wor...z9aqu7rclp6-20/ - unfortunately without photos - written by his son.
Christoph Camp near Siegberg Germany? - Christoph - 09-03-2012 And an article about Mr Norton - the one you have read?
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