Just looked through my engineer insignia book and there are no listings for the 81st. Hmmmm...will look in other sources.

I will contact my buddies at the Army Corps of Engineers Office of History. Will let you know what I find.

i had the same problem

i look on this site

http://www.saundersinsignia.com/index.php

I have the same issue with the 1251st...Still searching.

Heard back from the Office of History. Sorry, but it doesn't look promising. This is from Michael and co-worker Eric.

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Hi, Marion--

Here is Eric Reinert's reply to the inquiry about dui of the 81st:

"I could find no record of an insignia of any sort for the 81st Engineer

Battalion. It's not in the American Society of Military Insignia Collectors

book, nor in the engineer unit motto database they gave me.

"I have located one in the museum collection, at least according to the

catalog (I have not pulled it yet.) However, it is a reproduction, and I

would be very concerned about its authenticity without any other confirming

sources. I can pull it out and scan it, but would not feel comfortable

vouching for it.

"Let me know if she wants me to go ahead and scan it."

-Eric

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I told them to go ahead with the scan, and explained I would forward their letter to you. This way you know where you stand. As Eric stated, he cannot vouch for its authenticity, so keep that in mind.

intresting, its agian a mystery

thank you marion

i am curious how it looks like

best regards bas timmers

Here is Eric's reply to us. In this letter he is addressing Michael Brodhead (his co-worker at Office of History) and myself.

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Marion & Mike,

Attached is an image of the DUI of the 81st Engineer Battalion that we have

in the museum collection. As I mentioned in the earlier email, this is a

reproduction, and I have found no outside confirmation that this is correct

design.

A bit of background is in order. I am not intimately familiar with the ins

and outs of DUI collecting, but I do know that one guy named Charles Aresta

makes reproductions for collectors and others. They are not deceptive in any

way - he marks them with his name - so everyone knows they are not original.

The reason people acquire Aresta's DUIs are to 'stand in' for extremely rare

originals - in other words, a collector may buy an Aresta DUI to fill the

space in his collection that would be otherwise be empty due to the scarcity

of the original. The man who donated the DUIs we have was a big enthusiast

of Aresta's stuff to fill his 'blank' spaces, so we have a lot of them.

Needless to say, Aresta is highly controversial in the collector community.

To my knowledge, every Aresta insignia is accurate in terms of design, color,

etc., just not original. In other words, I have never heard of Aresta making

up a design on his own. On the other hand, I could not prove that he hasn't

made up one either - all the other Aresta's DUIs I have seen have been

confirmed in design and color by other references.

So I am passing the image along with the above caveats. Let me know if I can

answer any other questions.

-Eric

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With that in mind, I am attaching said image.

thanks marion and thanks to eric

the person who made this one did he have a e-mail or web site?

if he wand ,he can make 3 of them

thanks!

best regads bas timmers

i think the best place to inquire about a uunit dui or crest will be the The Institute of Heraldry, you can find an email contact on the frequently asked questions page in the section: WHERE CAN I FIND INFORMATION ON INSIGNIA AND MEDALS?

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/FAQ/FAQ.htm

Bas,

I am doing research on Edwaard Timmers for his 1st cousin here in Cincinnati, Ohio

My name is Dan.

Coould you please contact me?

thank you

Marion's note: I removed the email address. Bas can contact you via our own system.

hi my name is bas timmers

 

and i am searching pictures of edward f timmers or the 81st combat engineers

 

i have proudly adopted his grave about 3 years ago and search for information

 

of edward so far so good

 

rank Staff Sergeant serial no. 35789065 enter service ohio

 

he came from cincenettie

 

who have pictures of the 81st combat engineers or may be from edward him self

 

 

best regards bas timmers

breda netherland

member bugles accros america