Camp near Siegberg Germany?
#71

Of course we could meet at the or other abbey.

 

In the mentioned book is a description of the air raid on 28th Dec 1944 written by Sister Edeltrud which (the air raid, not Edeltrud) destroyed big parts of the abbey though it was marked with a big red cross on the roof and the allied forces knew there were POW. Germany made a complaint in Geneva to clear the reason, and the British apologized, the abbey was bombed by mistake, they wanted to hit the railway station, they said. I didn't know there were such complaints and answers in WWII!

 

Already before they started winding up the hospital, the casualties were postponed to Arnsberg, they were replaced by severely wounded soldiers from the front.

 

When the Americans came in April, the last Sisters and friars should be brought into internment camps, writes Sister Edeltrud. An Armenian POW called Daniel who was medicated at the hospital tried to negotiate with the Americans and told them how good he was treated there. He was successful and the soldiers disengaged.

 

I found another text also mentioning sister Edeltrud as source. It says that the first chief of the hospital was surgeon major (?) Dr Schlickum. When he was the first there must have been others, I think. There was also a Senior County Medical Officer of Health, Dr Bange, but I'm not shure whether he came from the miltitary hospital in the Abbey, from the "normal" hospital or the county council.

 

Christoph

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#72

Christoph,

 

The book still can not be ordered or the Kindle version yet, from what I can see. But with your information I will regularly check to see when it is available. Thank you very much.

 

In the photo the mortuary is the 1st curved door on the left. It is the door that is between the 1st 2 cars on the left. My Dad felt pretty sure of that when he saw the shape of the door and its location. I am having difficulty attaching the photo to this entry. So I will ask Marion.

 

Marion, my husband said I need to ask, " how do I upload media to the website"

 

Next thing that I referred to and want to send you is the Red Cross Map of the Camps. You will see that Siegburg is not on there! Once I learn how to attach a scanned item I will do this one too.

 

And I am still stunned over the Sister news! Thank You ever so much Christoph! I am trying to figure out what to do....

 

Jean J

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#73

Well, what a day and now a night for you Christoper!

 

So happy that we can work out a trip with you to meet the Sister. And I loved reading what she wrote and you so kindly interpreted.

 

I was thinking that I recently borrowed a book from a Polish gal whose parents were in work Camps in the War. She knew how passionate I was about the War and my Dad's story and so she has loaned me a book whose title is International Tracing Service. Catalogue of Camps and prisons in German and German Occupied Territories Sept. 1939 to May 1945. It is hard to scan but I will attach a few of the pages that I did scan when I know how to do so. You might be able to figure out what you want me to look for in there. Also maybe I would bring it to Germany when I meet you so then you could figure out what part/parts would be useful for you. Actually it is pretty big and heavy.

 

Now I am surprised like you are about the Red Cross on roof and that episode. I know Dad was furious that the Red Cross was not sending anything there. Fascinating!

 

Jean J

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#74

I can't find it now, doh, but someone asked about uploading files. If you are posting to a brand new topic, the upload files button will be in the lower left hand corner. However only certain files can be uploaded and there is a 2 MG limit on each file.

 

If you are replying to this topic and want to upload, then simply click on the MORE REPLY OPTIONS button and...

 

More help is in the HELP SECTION of this forum, for tips on how to do everything.

Marion J Chard
Proud Daughter of Walter (Monday) Poniedzialek
540th Engineer Combat Regiment, 2833rd Bn, H&S Co, 4th Platoon
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#75

Marion and Christoph,

 

Let me see if this works. I have attached the 3 items I referred to in a prior entry.

 

Christoph, is the City where Sister Koch is located in Steinfeld, Germany?

 

Jean J

BarbarasCatalogueCampsAndPrisons.pdf

POWMap.pdf

SiegburgMortuaryPhoto.pdf



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#76

There is a 2nd part of the Catalogue but must work on getting it over to here.

 

Jean J

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#77

Jean,

 

yes it works!

 

She is in Steinfeld, you should look for Steinfeld/Eifel or Kall-Steinfeld, there are about 14 villages with this name in Germany - a lot of stony fields here ;)

 

Christoph

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#78

I have found something about those who died in Siegburg as POW:

 

http://www.demerath-eifel.de/kultur/images/Mahnmal_Deutsch.PDF shall be a memorial for the B-26 crews crashed in the Eifel 23th Dec. 1944.

The pilot Capt. Mont F. Stephensen was hurt and came to the Hospital in Siegburg where he died on 03rd Jan. 1945. The author describes that he contacted Stephensen's family to inform them about what he knows and about the memorial cross standing at the place of the crash.

 

His burial in Riverton, Salt Lake County, is mentioned here http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=31042640 (another link: http://www.b26.com/marauderman/mont_stephensen.htm), burial means he is really buried there, doesn't it? So it seems as if he came home after the war, even though these pages term the 23rd December as date of his death.

 

The SiegburgMortuaryPhoto is made in the front court of the abbey. When you go through the bigger arched gateway you are outside of the abbey, some meters further you are at the upper end of the wall of the rose garden. Through the smaller gateway you come to stairs ending at a small platform on the wall of the abbey. I don't really know where there is a mortuary.

 

Christoph

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#79

www.jjworld.com/images/BarbarasCatalogueCampsAndPrisonsPart2.pdf

 

Christoph,

 

Thank you for locating that information on Stephensen. I think at one time I had found something but never the definite connection to his being at the hospital and his death there. Is that author still alive and would he share with you who he contacted in the Stephensen family. Maybe I could contact the family, if it makes sense, and see if they have a death certificate or other information.

 

My assumption is my Dad buried Stephensen in that little cemetery, if he died at the Hospital.

 

I forwarded your information to someone at the Marauder Association to see if they know anything about him.

 

Now regarding the photo, we took that photo on our trip in 1987. I have other photos that we took at the Abbey but I would have to visit the Abbey again to understand the areas that you have described. As for the mortuary, I have always assumed it was a temporary location. The Abbey was so different, from my Dad's perspective in 1987. But when he saw that door it was very familiar to him, and he felt certain that was where the mortuary had been.

 

Regarding visit to the Sister, I am trying to figure it out. I need to know your availability, but my situation is tenuous at the moment because of my Mom. I will keep you posted as I know more.

 

Jean J

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#80

Jean

 

I just found there is also an english version of the text:

http://www.demerath-eifel.de/kultur/images/Mahnmal_English.PDF

 

I'll try to find whether the author is still alive.

 

Christoph

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